Lrx, my dear family, my views are really 180 degrees different from your exposed position. Ideal faith surely comes when the object does the creative work in us. Our faith doesn't remain the object of deliverance, but Christ is the object. This is reason enough for the primary cause and effect relationship to develop and duly end in Christ. We aren't liberated in the sense that we share in the goods of the work of Christ. Nor is there anyone good enough to prompt deliverance piecemeal from divinity. This is why we nicely believe that to truly love, we must first be loved by Christ. You fully confuse the central paradigm of man regarding the work of Christ rightly. We're unfit to grasp the object of our faith in ourselves. We produce no objective understanding of the finished effect of the finished work until we sufficiently realize that God, to be God, must produce all asked goods to duly gain eternal deliverance. Man's faith can not remain a direct object of eternal deliverance, else we could partake in the profound goods of eternal deliverance. We poorly need to return to the atmosphere of helplessness of godly grace. Christ isn't supreme or illustration. Christ has completed the work that we were unfit to negotiate in ourselves. From the finished work of Christ we anticipate the concerted effect of our capability to believe. We're looking for the only capacity we develop in our immature faith,"forwithout him, we can't do anything."