89	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Hidden In God	on: May 04, 2010, 08:04:09 PM
Our potential problems are  sorrows that pierce our hearts. Because the soul properly considers formidable enemies that are not physical. These enemies are carefully hidden behind attractive appearances of good relationships that we make in this world. Because we purely maintain one ultimate allegiance. Most of our relational pressures come from a direct assault on our deep inward dependence on God. We rarely deal with a direct assault. But these kinds of cruel things come through harsh words and a general intent to vehemently oppose us. Most of the time we are like the frog in a pan we just retreat into our Christian shell. Presently this can inevitably become a vastly heroic struggle with acute sorrow. Because after awhile we find that our love for God is virtually retired. This is why we have notorious traitors in our souls. They are scarcely from personal sins. They ill come into us through organized opposition. One of the bleakest realities to deal we think the bible advises us to act. We think it is saying we are merely required to receive this violent opposition into our souls because we must deny ourselves. Consequently, the contradictory message does not matter how we are treated as long as we merely demonstrate disappointed love. Adeptly, the devil is not going to stop bitterly accusing us because we are incredibly kind and affectionate. He is like a roaring and very hungry lion. He is going to attack our faith through a physical trauma or words. But we can be certain that any time we lack a profound sense of the majesty and glory of God there are subversive tactics we are repeatedly face. This is why our fight against forces of evil in heavenly places. These are organized oppositions that persuade us to project an image of God that whirls us to be angry at God. This is why we must guard our hearts fighting for our one love. We must cast down in making an effort to curse these enemies. We are fallible beings who improperly obtain terribly critical experiences. The bible earnestly advises to continue thoughtfully in the unshakable faith. We sometimes are so numb that it seems we are merely holding on not even thinking about genuine faith. We must arouse ourselves. We must engage ourselves in earnest prayer in a determined fight. We must earnestly seek our first love even if we have been resolutely opposed so we are stocked of heartfelt sorrow. It is our ultimate responsibility to diligently seek out these invisible foes. That is divine wisdom applied to the soul. We should humbly implore God for eternal wisdom, carefully manipulating the effective tools of the sacred word to intentionally expose the elaborate lies of our creative thinking. Ardently praying periodically is like chopping down a tree. We promptly attack the expressed doubts with the operative word. We justly criticize the active opposition with fervent prayer. As Jesus did in the private garden. He was ardently praying and sweating drops of blood. The Lord heard His prayer and promptly delivered Him from premature death. He was sincerely praying the Psalms with more consuming passion than any man could naturally produce. He worked up a sweat so intense that the blood came through His pores. His prayers generously provided Him strength to faithfully preserve on to the cross.

 

Uncompromising is essential as an effective way of being alone in this adequate protection. This battle is in the leading causes of the general direction the devious way people forcibly express their power in their violent love for heathen idols. The opposition falsely represents the evil that is working furiously in the sons of disobedience. This communist opposition as a forlorn cause is in the perverse desires of malicious men. This is where all of the disconnection and chaotic confusion are expressed in the negative weight of acute pain in which tyranny flourishes.If contemptible men sustain their way they will destroy the righteous.We are dealing unjustly with a very formidable enemy of our personal well being. Because there is a direct influence to us in how we determine these personal sorrows in our own souls. We are customarily in personal danger of depending on our particular strength to merely acquire a peace, not realizing it harshly demands impersonal paradigms in our view as we look beyond our general level of sorrow. Because God hardens in a universally destructive way to strenuously oppose.  

This is why things work backwards as we naturally react to these adverse circumstances in our persevering spirit. What is genuinely needed is not desired by communist rebels.But what is appreciated is what the righteous acquire in swallowing up the perverse desires of the wicked.Put differently there is a righteous anger in the effective way of declaring all things to fall into place. Because the sincere desires of the righteous are made sure by reliably producing these pleasing things into reality by an eternal source that is outside of the hopeless circumstance. On one hand there is a general tendency of a future fulfilled desire to lose heart in the perseverance. On the other hand to succumb to the horrid fear of man. This is why we find the relentless battle is being spiritually assaulted. Consequently, we must deal justly with the opposition in the spiritual realm to miraculously find the spiritual desire come to objective reality. 

Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Hidden In God

on: May 06, 2010, 09:46:30 AM

This way is a way of grace. This is why we should not be quick to judge. Because we live with a level of our own weakness that defines how God is going to meet us at the cross roads of our sin and His grace. This is why it is dangerous to listen to the counsel of the world. Because there are some things that we focus on that will add more grief than we can handle. All of our sin is because there is some corruption in all of our parts. Sometimes we think that God is exposing our pain in order to deflect the pleasure we get in sinning. But God determines how the path that we learn in the way of our own weakness. In other words the reason that we are gaining pleasure out of our sin is because God is making us not trust in our own ability to our joy. He wants us to find our comfort from our sins in His mercy. But there are many problems that we have in this life and we are always searching for a solution that we think God is trying to work in us at the present time. We fail to see that Gods time table is not like ours. This is why our lives must be hidden in God. Because there is a lot of counsel that will take us on long rabbit trails. There are many evil intentions for men to draw other men into their particular bondage and at the same time do it for the purposes of dealing with us in our own sins. But we fail to hold onto the hope we had at the beginning. We are not seeking to lose our lives to find our security in God alone. But we are trading our pleasure for sin and in place we are being subject to the bondage of men. And in the end we will find that sin has more pleasure than the one that God was using to humble us and keep us on the path of learning. We must see that our big problem is that we try to change our most insecure areas by the flesh because we feel the guilt of our sins. God deals with us in a way that His grace is giving us a sense of freedom in falling in order for us to find a peace that will keep us from utterly falling. When we find that we are searching these things out for reasons that are not entirely under the disposition of free grace then we are in danger of forgetting where we came from. We loose connection with the Head. We will always persevere through our own sins and find grace to help us in our time of need. The grace gives us the motive to keep from trusting in our working for a payment in order to move down this path. Men who are self righteous will be full of warnings and distresses in order to get us to take our eyes off  of Christ. Sometimes its best for us to struggle with sin and find that it is not as pleasurable as we thought the end would be. Then we will find that God loves us in a way that He is building in us a strong sense of repentance to sin because His way is greater than sin. Love always wins. This is seeking to be hidden in God.

 

 God choosing not to act, is no choice at all. The effect of choice points to the cause of choice. The choice is cause by the motive or the desire. If there is no effect then the desire does not exist. For God to choose to allow me to be in between two equal desires is the same as to say that God desires that i have no desire. Which is to say that God does not act at all in salvation.
To give me the ability to have a desire to be saved that comes apart from Gods desire that i be saved is to say that God has no purpose in my desire to be saved. If i choose for myself to be saved then my my prior choice would determine my future choice. But what causes my first choice?

Here is where we are today as a result of thinking that we have some kind of ability apart from Gods purpose. There is no one righteous, no not one, there is no one who seeks God. There is no one who has that ability. There is no one who has that strength. There is no one how has  that possibility. It is impossible for us to be the cause of salvation or to work out our salvation in our own purpose. Those who have not come to this truth are not going to call on God night and day. If there are more people who think that they are able then there will be more people who do not call on God. When we pray, we acknowledge that our salvation does not belong to us. We acknowledge that it was Gods power to save that we received a gift so that instead of being flattered we are always rejoicing in His wonders, in His miracle.
If we understand that God is able and we are not, then our desire for His glory will be totally dependent on His work on our behalf. There will be no work done by us by our own ability. All the work will be done as a result of Gods power in our lives. We will begin to see that unless God does a work we will only be left powerless and defenseless. Because we depend on God to be our defense. There is no proposition that can be proposed apart Gods absolute declared word in every work in our lives.It is not in your selling books, its not in your displayed life in witnessing, its not in your going to church, its not in your mega ministry, its not in your distribution of books, its not in your prayers, its not in you ability to understand theology, its not in your ability to have a cushion in your later years, its not in the strength of government, its not in suffering, its not in your hatred, its not in your philanthropy, its not in your buildings, its not in your houses, its not in relationships, its not in your ministries, its being reduced to see that its not our salvation, its Gods. We are unable.  

Ps 50 21"you thought I was altogether like you."
The Psalmist is carefully teaching that God has taken care of all of our considerable troubles. He has generously provided the answers in His word. He is the only one who adequately provides the logical answers to all of our specific problems because He precisely controls life and death. Everything God declares is backed up with His ability to recreate life out of death. God is the only one who can command the desired end of our genuine sorrows by silencing all of our organized opposition. who can judge evil and corruption with the vengeance beyond our understanding and sanctify us with extremely good gifts for us to imagine. for God to rightfully claim that His word is all we lack undoubtedly constitute the ample proof that He is absolute in backing it up. God is not like desperate man. All men speak with political pragmatism. The uncomfortable truth is that every man merely experiencing the loss of cruel brute and spiritual strength. The question is should we place our trust in someone whos life is fleeting? You see that the entire value system of the heathen world is built on merely surviving the inevitable slide into bodily death. Mans needs are greater than the excessive profits of the wicked world. This is why all earthly governments end in excessive debt that inevitably brings about desperate hunger and death. The truth is that foolish man merely asserts no control over the massive suffering of the human race. We are all indebted to merely saving a sinking ship. This is why there is only One person who speaks with the authority to reverse the course of the lives. His people headed in the direction of the culture. Therefore, God has naturally contained our lives by properly speaking the eternal law, covenants, curses, specific statutes, presidential decrees and promises in the comprehensive plan of eternal redemption. This ultimate redemption, that was pictured in the daily animal sacrifices of Israel. The visible markers of the old testament worship provide reminders that Gods axioms could reorder the sound world to deliver Israel. But the specific problem was because the people did not know the axioms they intentionally destroyed the local culture by planning to overthrow sacred  word. Every time they sacrificed the animal and were motivated to speak the axioms. But they began to sacrifice without to follow the law, covenants, curses, statutes, etc. God was proving in the sacrifice in managing life and death that He was the only one that could be trusted to defend the people. Instead of beseeching God through the pronouncements, they began to trust in the words of ruined men. God had faithfully carry out the creative work in enacting the moral law that overcomes all lawless nations. They had not offered the sacrifices under the moral authority of the eternal curses. This is why the Psalmist says they trusted in their particular strength by focusing on the outward forms of the sacrifices.The sacrifices faithfully serve as poignant reminders that God saves His chosen people by graciously assisting the unified nation to the continuous line of blessing and cursing. God speaks the eternal curses in detesting the pragmatism of the heathen nations. God is saying that He will tear them to pieces like the slaughtered animal because they did not detest the sins of the nations. God backs His word up in life and death pronouncements by the bodily portrayal of the sacrifice. 

 

9	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: TRUE COMMUNION	on: August 07, 2009, 09:53:05 AM
If God alone is to be exalted then where does that leave us with one another? Well this is very difficult to understand since we are made to be in fellowship with one another. But even tho there seemingly is a tension here about how we view other men and our propensity to make idols, yet i believe that there are holistic views of how God deals with us in light of the hidden corruption in the depths of our souls. I think that Gods primary work is this method of incisions and excisions. Because in the view of the sovereign movement of the disposition of God we cannot judge the cause of a persons particular corruption at the root of the image of the idol. This is why we have a world view that is predominately supernatural and not a progressive deterministic succession of falling into patterns of corruption. The human soul is not defined by what we can see but it is predominately deeper than we could fathom in all of the causes of these corrupted behaviors. We live in a world where Gods seeing, touching, and speaking are a communication in the method of incisions and excisions. This is why there seems to be no reason for how troubles of this world have built into them the paradigm of this cause of anthropomorphic mystery. God examines in this method. Every living thing is changing from one moment to the next. Let me apply this. In talking with the modern day Pelagian the basic communication is this. "I do not like your God , somehow i must have some kind of autonomy. I have developed a language to express this." In other words the underlying communication is that "God is not like you say He is therefore i am god." Now then we are filters. All religion is built on developing a way to get to God instead of God coming down to man. There is very sophisticated ways in the way we have been able to oppose Gods method of supernatural and holistic communication to every problem. The primary method of healing is in the communication itself. These methods of war fare are mainly filtering through the child like opposition ... as if your child developed a language that opposed your language in order to be the adult. So its being able to filter the false proposition in a multi language epistemology that will be the convincing transformation.

 

Forums / Main Forum / Heavy Weight	on: April 26, 2007, 04:07:14 PM

Jesus was talking about taking the burden off us because his grace is lesser than our sin, the consequences we suffer from sin and being judged by others who are hypocrites. Jesus is the only bone who understands our weakness, since he can read our studies and understand all the intentions of our heart. He was reproached with men, he was wrangle on, he was made fun of. He was demurred and punched by men in the last hours of his life, tortured by demons and tempted to die precociously. He suffered the worst situation of all time by being made sin, so the Father turned around because he was made sin for us. He was abandoned by the Father while darkness enveloped the earth. He identifies with our suffering because he suffered death stings knowing the time he was to die during his ministry. He knows the rainfall and was completely apprehensive of what he'd to suffer. To be apprehensive of the kind of death we must die would make any of us mortals veritably painful. We've always looked death in the face since we were born. It would be distressing. Yet Jesus came to die this kind of death for having known pain all his life. Our particular medication for death is short and so we're in heaven.Since he was a man of pain, he can adequately grasp all our genuine pains because he can sufficiently develop understanding through experience. When we go to Him in humorless prayer, He precisely gathers us into our deepest requirements, naturally pushing He upholds our smallest experience because He's lower. His hand takes us with care by holding us adequately on us precluding us from his hold. His steps are constantly before us, inhibiting our fearsome adversaries from designedly protecting us on the day of wrong, the emotionally and spiritually lowest point. His potent angels, at his command, professionally fight for us when the opposing forces of evil come our way at our lowest point and try to snuff out the former shaft of light that we must trust. His Godly grace is there when we warrant the strength to adequately communicate our requirements with a pure and free gift so that we aren't brought to bear too important of the weight of our trial. His sacred words are right as every man tries to have us trust commodity or someone differently for our relief, and He speaks to us of his suffering cross, correctly informing us that He alone will deliver. Like there is voices of men then saying,"He trusts God, God deliver him."At the height of helplessness, we unfeignedly believe that the name of Jesus rings out as our only stopgap and our last defense, In the lowest part of our trial. Unexpectedly many men see this kind of grace. 

Pragmatists reflect a mystical view of the world. It's the unethical disposition of mortal objectifications of the expression of particular power. People who are used to explaining effects in rigorously scientific terms are kindly animistic. But this is how God precisely drafted his overall view of the ideal world through eternal love and fastness in a defensive disposition. God isn't an animist. He direct dispatches adequately represent the objective reality. Even though we nicely prevision the considerable peril in this pagan world, our direct responses are relatively complicated. We unfeignedly ask the creative destruction of opprobrious effects on this exposed earth for our own protection. We correctly consider effects of value impersonally by being duly divided in eternal love. We've unraveled a web of deception woven into our lives. We develop ways that are innovative enough to admirably express our all- consuming abomination as eternal curses on theworld. The unrighteous plans keep their way!! God is the most just of all the powers that he governs from all eternity. The mysterious presence of God doesn't negate our particular experience in its loftiest form. After all, we're lords and preist of the Eternal Kingdom! We generally express our most extraordinary gests in our spontaneous capacity for our ownpower.Without a mistrustfulness, God is infinitely more important than anyman.However, he'd instantly abandon hopeless men without stopgap of miraculous deliverance from this world, If God who's infinitely supreme as empirical evidence of his moral virtuousness couldn't be understood. Why imagine how God would proactively operate above the further particular dispatches of our metaphysical experience that would cover us and induce commodity that would be too big for us in our present circumstances if we were to conclude this power to envelop all mystery? Unfeignedly seek eternal deliverance beyond our particular experience. 

 

Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster.

on: February 08, 2009, 09:12:30 AM

I was wonder whether this is a constant and ongoing experience or whether it was just in dreams and experiences with other people at certain times. My experience has been a steady growth in hearing Him. I think Gene has alluded to this in numerous post about His hearing Poppa. My experience in all of this has kinda been layers of deep calling to deep. I think the deeper we dig into His word the more we are going to understand what kind of pattern He has designed in giving us these messages that are very quiet and in the stillness of our meditations. Now for yrs i have practiced this meditation. But i was always awed by the power of the word. I mean that was where i thought that He spoke to me. But then i realized that when i was meditating in the Psalms there was this total transformation of my view of things. In other words the things that were of weight in my soul were no longer carrying the same kind of heaviness. And then there is this small voice telling me to do this and dont do this, or watch out here and be careful here. Or pray for this person , or this person is struggling here, or this is what you should write. It doesnt seem very understandable to me. I mean why would He want me to react this way in this new situation? Well then when i look back i am very appreciative of Him. So then this grows on me. I mean, if there is another world where we can go and then we can talk and get answers about situations then this is like having another friend who is invisible. Let me say one more thing here. Well... as you know we live before God.. all this stuff that we see in this present world is just a very small spec to eternity... its smaller than the smallest particle in terms of time duration. Wow, people are going into eternity as i write. Everyday there is a silent exit from this spec of time into a timeless suffering or total joy and comfort. I mean that is what God does as everything before Him is seen from the beginning to the end. He delivers people whether it is in a circumstance or going into eternity. With Him a day is like a thousand yrs. His deliverance is obviously more profound and powerful than anything we can see in this present system. I mean the work of redemption goes on forever in those who He delivers from sin unto eternity. And the rest will be burned up, to deliver this earth into a new one. In the end there is only One protection that is real. But God communicates by His immense presence in eternity. God is eternally present. Where ever God is present He is present in all of His personage. That is all of His attributes are displayed in every inch of eternity. Thats why there is no place on this earth or anywhere in eternity where we can go that God has not designed for us to be where we are best able to seek Him and find Him. We spend a lot of time planning and worrying about places and times that we are just worshiping the god of contingency. God is the God of all causes that exist. So that He is present in the universe that is unseen. God is greater than we could ever move our bodies one inch without His power and hand to move in an independent way from us. For in Him we move and live and have our being. So that He communicates outside of speech. The reason that His presence is so overwhelming is that He is greater than our sense to understand. I mean that He proves His power by overwhelming us with the sense of His presence. The SPirit can fall on us so to speak, being that the Spirit is all around us and there is no up and down with Him. But we can be overwhelmed by something that we cannot understand in our ability to a sense comprehension. If God chooses at a specific time to fall on us by His Spirit then we are going to get a taste of what is to come...we are going to have a heavenly sweetness. If we were to live with this overwhelming awe then we would not live to see a full life. I mean we would be swallowed up as if we were expose to an nuclear blast. But He gives us a very profound and powerful effect in His presence so that we will learn not to trust in our five senses. He comes in this way so that we will be convinced that He is all in all. This is like Him stretching our faith. We trust in things we cannot see. Some how the inanimate things are taught by the power of those communications to our physical bodies and our souls. Here we have something that comes on us that is unexplainable. Now there is a zeal in all of this. If we are very young in the faith, we have heard people say you are over zealous. Its because we are seasoned as we grow up in the faith by this constant training of our spiritual senses to discern what is good and evil. In the sense that we test the spirits to see if they are of God. Not just a moral sense. But we do not have a God who gets us busy so that we will not sound foolish. We have a God who visits us with a spiritual reality of this overwhelming sense of His communications of joy and bliss. This is where the zeal of the Lord consumes us so that even our own family is but a spec in our view of relationships. This communication of His power cannot be thwarted. We just are overwhelmed until He lets up.

The purpose of salvation is to bring us to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. We live in a world were we have many voices pulling us in all kinds of directions. We are surrounded by the ungodly who are pulling us certain ways. But really the important things are what we desire. Salvation is really about us and what we think of God.
Its not even about the wise counsel of men verses the ungodly counsel. It is an inward reality that our desires are made new. We are people who had desires for ourselves all our lives and then we received by grace new desires. It wasnt even about the moral change or the accountability of men. Remember the reason desires are so important and not counsel of men is because men are sinners too. Men are going to be helpless too. Men are going to die. Desires do not die.
When we have new desires they are toward God. God has spoken in His word. Our desires are so dependent upon the spoken word of God that it is impossible to enjoy Him without His word. The word and the Spirit are the means to approach God. The desires are the caboose to know God and His word. When we delight in God we delight in His word.
 The only other voices we are hearing are from ungodly men. There is a spiritual battle going on every moment of every day. Ungodly men are always crying against the word of God. They hate God and His word is not alive to them but condemning. They make plans, the bible calls them plots, schemes, arrogant thinking, hunting down the helpless etc. These desires are in direct opposition to new desires of a christian. We here these messages and then we must test the spirits to see if they are rite. Remember this is a spiritual battle.
These messages are not just an attack against God but they go against our spiritual longings.
They erode our confidence by that ringing message \"you trust in God let God rescue you.\" That erosion in our desires must be replaced by Gods spoken word. We are not just fighting against the sin in others but we are fighting these voices and attacks against our desires from the wicked. The more we receive these attacks without discernment the more coldness we receive.
This is a spiritual battle in our minds first and then goes to our spirits.That is why we must learn how to delight in God and His word. We must understand that our initial desires are so flooded with grace that we have freedom in the Spirit stamped in these desires.
These longings are in a war between the word of God and the ungodly men. Our longings are more than just an emotional exhaustion. These longings are Spiritual in nature and they are oriented in the Love of God and who God is. There are some inward battles that are fought for to inflame these delightful longings but we are dealing with the relationship the word has to them and men.
I can say after years of meditation that i have learned to discern these attacks by what other men say to me. I do not think they are aware of these things. But we live in a world where these spiritual bombs are real.And i have said many things i should have.
If we want to be happy we must meditate on Gods word. We must decipher everything we hear through the word. We must test the spirits because even christians are sinful and do things to unmotivated us. We must become familiar with grace so that if any other message is receive we will immediately throw out the false.
When we ruminate that is we read the word and then we read it again and we study it and then we think about it.  Word is God speaking directly to us through that word and reminding us of His motives and love for us. These messages inflame our desires. These reminders ruminated over work with the Holy Spirit to give us such a heavenly longings that we are very keen on what a false spirit looks like.
We live in a world where there is so much counsel. It is full of counsel. Really the only counsel we can trust ultimately even in christian counsel is the word of God. The word is a grace oriented message. The word is the means of grace. Grace is antithetical to the world. Grace is opposite to our natures. Grace is ultimately understood in the inflamed desires , that delight in GOD. Ps. 1 and various other PS.

 

 I agree with you vandy about the distinction with free will. If you go back and read the majority of my post i have always explained it as you have stated. I am an advid listener-reader of Sproul. My problem on the forum is that when i talk about regeneration and the new will to choose they tell me that i am reading into the text or i am making it too difficult or there is too much mystery. There is a very clear antithetical debate going on here. Its not as simple as telling them that we choose for ourselves. Its what God does in my theology that inhibits free will in theirs.

As you know this has been a debate throughout history. I have been told that we now are able to believe both systems of theology at the same time because there is too much mystery to make a distinction. They use the two line explanation to throw water on the historical calvinistic position. I just want to find the person who holds these to very different doctrinal positions at the same time and teaches them, and then show me historically who held both of these positions as a teacher.
I can take you to some web sites of churches or point you to radio programs (and i am not talking about Steve that state that doctrinal differences do not matter. Its the practice that is important. Historical confessional views of discipleship are being discarded and replaced with a system of philosophy for behaviour. When you place any system of thinking as equal with doctrine including the \"too much mystery system\" as well as psychology, false religions,  plagenism,etc. you discard the bible. I here counseling being given from a psychological viewpoint first and then the bible is thrown in at the end or little trinkets of scripture given to support that viewpoint. Seriously when someone tells you doctrinal differences do not matter and that  its just the practice ,what they are saying I know better than God. My philosophy should have equal time with the scripture. They have such a low view of scripture that inspiration will become an issue probably before the next generation. That is really the next rung on the ladder at the bottom..

Well we have discussed this free will problem in detail in the past. I accept that youall do not believe a heresy if you believe that you chose your salvation. I know that you believe in faith, and that grace is in there too. I have seen that youall like Steves doctrine of grace. May i remind you that Steve has taken the road of Calvin and that grace is a profound power that has no back door deals or human will limitiing it. If youall wish for that grace to be a reality in your own thinking then you will need to get off of the road you are traveling on in free will.
Remember when you decided to become a christian? Now you can say that you had a free will to decide and that feels free to you and you feel good about yourself. But there are consequences for beliefs. See if you really chose God then you are responsible for that choice entirely. Thats a really hard life to live. I mean it really is impossible if you get really down to that reality. I mean you can believe that and sacrifice your freedom by feeling good that you chose God. But when you think that way then what happens one day when you leave Him for awhile?
Just think about your house, and how proud it was to choose that first one to live in. You felt so responsible because you signed your name on that line. You did every thing you could to fix it up and then you began paying for it and you were proud to be a home owner. You had so much pride in yourself for your choice. Then one day things started to happen and through many circumstances you went through a long period were you began to lose all that you had built up in that house. It became such an inward termoil that it led to an ulsur. All that responsible good feeling went rite out the window. You were blaming yourself for every thing because just like you being on top of the world feeling proud of your choice, now that reality turned on you and you were in a constant state of self blame.

So you sought out others who were great chosers and they consoled you, but when you were by yourself your mind was programed to belive that your freedom granted you full responsiblity.

Now think about this what happens if someone buys the house for you? What happens if he gives you the opportunity to choose your own house and he fronted the money? Now here you are living in the house you chose but realizing that that person gave you a free gift and so you want to do every thing to keep that house good because you want to show him how much you appreciate him. Now these bad circumstances happen to you and now because he bought the house for you and he says dont worry, its my house now i will take the burden so you dont need to carry the responsiblity on yourself. I love you and i will give you grace to go through these bad circumstances and i will supply all your needs because i aloud you to choose that house and i will be responsible for your future. Then you would love Him even more because he is in control.

See that is what soveiegn grace is all about. Thats why God must choose me so that i can be free. really free.

Tasting .... eating... partaking.... ingesting...desire... longing... understanding.... in grafting.... rejoicing... shouting... singing .. mourning... troubled ... sorrowed... are all synonyms in scripture for describing a person with human characteristics. There are these two realities that the christian experiences as the source of all of his choices. We live in a universe of pre determined realities. For before the world was created God knew on an intimate level all the things that make up the reality of living this world both physical and meta physical. And i guess we can describe the process of putting these different sins to death...but just having the single understanding of mortification of sin does not help create the holistic experience of living as if these different concepts or synonyms have the color..flavor... and enjoyment of experiencing this holistic understanding of the illumination of the Spirit. Mortification of sin is having the proper sorrow over our sin and knowing the danger of living in the guilt... sorrow and fear experienced in this reality of feeling the effects of the domination of sin. In this way there is a need to experience deliverance from sin in the desperate way a person views this domination of sin. The sting of sin is death... this is the process of the effects of sin. And i guess that this terribly distressing side of these different experiences as to the level one deals with these different sins is part of the characteristics of the understanding that determines how one will choose the objects that are designed to meet the desire. Mortification is going down in the experience of finding the anger... the guilt... the fear and the dread of sin to face the reality of living in a universe of sin...having the presence of sin.. and dealing with the effects of sin.So that tasting in the biblical sense is this experiencing of this level of humility in having this sorrowful state of mind. 

 Mortification is the process of exposing the level of depravity to the understanding so that in gaining a true sense of the evil of sin a person is imbibed with the level of inward danger that lurks in his whole being. In this way... the reality of living with all of this potential for failure gives this taste of the kind of desperate condition that is required in apprehending the level of the illumination of the reality of Christ presence by His Spirit.This is developing a proper sorrow in order for a person to experience a seriousness that is real. For what we think in our hearts is what we are. What we are determines everything about how we view this world and all of the circumstances that we are confronted with. In between the connections to our choices are these five senses both physical and spiritual in which the experience of peace... comfort... and the general level of these communications that are returning to our understanding about the kind of ingraining that we have processed is this holistic reality of living. We have the potential to live above this worlds domination.